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Calibration question
« on: April 13, 2017, 10:23:40 AM »
I recently got a new brewing equipment, an automatic brew kettle from Brumas. I'm trying to calibrate it to use Breesmith.
I brew my first batch using an efficiency of 70% and I wanted to brew 25 liters of beer with final boiling volume of 22 Liters (I lose about 3 liters of beer while bottling).

Beersmith told me
Total water 40.48 Liter (19.43 Mash in, plus 20.05 Liters for sparging)
Pre boil volume 31.17 Liters
Post boil volume 29.17 Liters
Post boil gravity 13.629 Plato

I got
Pre boil volume 37.5 Liters
Post boil 33 Liters
Post boil gravity 11 Plato

I don't know where to fix it. I changed the Boil Off Volume, Loss to Trub and Chiller, Lauter Ton loss

I don't what to fix so the software gives me the right amount of water i should use.
Any suggestions?

Thank you very much

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Re: Calibration question
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2017, 12:36:28 PM »
I recently got a new brewing equipment, an automatic brew kettle from Brumas. I'm trying to calibrate it to use Breesmith.
I brew my first batch using an efficiency of 70% and I wanted to brew 25 liters of beer with final boiling volume of 22 Liters (I lose about 3 liters of beer while bottling).

Beersmith told me
Total water 40.48 Liter (19.43 Mash in, plus 20.05 Liters for sparging)
Pre boil volume 31.17 Liters
Post boil volume 29.17 Liters
Post boil gravity 13.629 Plato

I got
Pre boil volume 37.5 Liters
Post boil 33 Liters
Post boil gravity 11 Plato

I don't know where to fix it. I changed the Boil Off Volume, Loss to Trub and Chiller, Lauter Ton loss

I don't what to fix so the software gives me the right amount of water i should use.
Any suggestions?

Thank you very much

Let's start with some confirmation of volumes.  I will first assume that you added the recommended volumes of water as stated by BeerSmith.  Is there any loss for dead space in your mash tun?

If the above is correct, then you added a total of 40.48 liters of water to 6.3 kg of grains.
You ended up with 37.5 liters of wort (assuming no loss in the mash tun).

Your water retention in the grain is [40.48 - 37.5] = 2.9 liters
Water absorption rate is 2.9 liters/6.3 kg = .473 l/kg  or in beersmith nomenclature 0.453 fl oz/oz of grain.

Boil off volume is 37.5 liters - 33 liters = 4.5 liters for a 60 minute boil or 4.5 liters per hour.

Given that your SG was target of 13.629 Plato (1.055 SG) and you got 11 Plato (1.044), it would seem like your mash efficiency is lower than the 70% you plugged into your equipment profile.

Specifically, you had at 70% efficiency 55 gravity points at 29.17 liters for a total of 1604 points of sugar.
You actually achieved 44 gravity points at 33 liters for a total of 1452 points of sugar. 

If 1604 points represents 70% efficiency, then achieving 1452 would represent an efficiency of 1452 /(1604/70%) =  1452/2291 = 63.4% efficiency.

While I have not made any corrections for temperature in the above calculations, it would be a good starting point for your next brew.  As you get better numbers, you will want to correct all the volumes to room temperature to fine tune the system.

Recycle your grains, feed them to a goat!

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Re: Calibration question
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2017, 03:47:20 AM »
Thank you Oginme, for the response.
The  dead space in my mash tun is minimal, about 0.3 liter and the Mash Tun Addition is also minimal because the mash screen isn't very big in this system.
I tried to replicate my result writing a recipe for what i actually got but using the mash efficiency you calculated for me. Here is the result
the pre boil volume is about right but the total volume and the post boil gravity are still off
what do you think?

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Re: Calibration question
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2017, 05:26:42 AM »
It is much easier to figure out what might be going on if you save the recipe as a .bsmx file and post it instead of a .pdf file.  This way it is easier to see your equipment profile along with the recipe to help with figuring out where to help fix things.
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Re: Calibration question
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2017, 06:00:45 AM »
Oh sorry, i didn't know I could do that
Number one is what i brewed and number two is what i wrote this morning

Thank you very much