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jonewer

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Crystal Malt
« on: July 11, 2009, 11:19:30 AM »
Hi all, I'm a new bewer and wish to create a pale/amber ale with loadsahops!

I have a Coopers IPA kit as a base and wish to add 1kg light dry spray malt (brew length 23liters) and also some crystal malt to add some body to offset the hops a bit.

I have 500g of crystal waiting to go, but also want to avoid any cloying sweetness. So how much should I add and what volume to steep in?

Also, is it neccesary to boil/steep the dry malt or should I just chuck it in as is?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Crystal Malt
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2009, 01:15:45 PM »
Welcome to the forums and home brewing -- in short you can modify just about any recipe or kit. But just like in cooking there are some basic rules and guidelines you need to grasp.

Adding some crystal malt might be a good thing - and yes they need to be steeped - in a grain bag like tea.

I highly recommend 3 things:
- First slow down and do a small bit of reasearch
- BeerSmith has a great Blog section and a recent one was an overview of extract brewing
- The answers to a lot of your questions can be found in using BeerSmith software - enter your kit contents as a new recipe

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Re: Crystal Malt
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2009, 02:16:18 PM »
+1 on the slow down :)

There are some great podcasts about homebrewing too - check out http://www.thebrewingnetwork.com/ & http://www.basicbrewing.com/index.php?page=radio

Also, howtobrew.com is a great online resource - I own the book too!

Welcome to the Homebrew world!

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Re: Crystal Malt
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2009, 10:12:01 PM »
As a quick follow up on BeerSmith ....   in the basic ingredients you are not going to find something exact like Coopers Light Malt Extract - medium or whatever.

But pick a liquid malt extract (LME) that is close ...  light or extra-light etc. and use that in your new recipe. Always keep things as close as possible and you'll be fine. Look under the tips and tricks section to learn how to setup BeerSmith.

Good Luck

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jonewer

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Re: Crystal Malt
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2009, 06:22:42 AM »
Yes, my main problem is that I just dont know whats in the kit already....

I have done a pure kit brew which worked quite well, but its rather boring to just pour a couple of tins into a bucket and wait... I need to satisfy my innate desire to tinker and fiddle with eveything ;D


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Re: Crystal Malt
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2009, 11:36:27 PM »
Well brewing is all about fiddling and tweaking ... instead of doing an off the shelf kit - which is how many folks start - I had a science teacher (at the school I work at) help me out and I started with extracts and grains from the local brew shop. No doubt that just using extract + hops + yeast + water is still going to give a better brew than a lot of that Mega-Brewed stuff at the local food mart.

But adding some specialty grains is easy and lets you tailor your beer more to taste. The other big boost in my brewing was starting to use BeerSmith --- yes its a bit daunting to start out but its worth the effort.

What kind of kit are you getting ?
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jonewer

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Re: Crystal Malt
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2009, 07:03:15 AM »
Hi SleepySam,

The kit is an IPA, about 1.7kg of hopped LME. They recommend 500g DME and 300g dextrose be added.

I plan to add 1kg DME some crystal and some hops.....

Guess we'll see how it goes....

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Re: Crystal Malt
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2009, 09:21:31 PM »
Sounds good - keep in mind that DME (when hydrated with water) is actually thicker than LME - or a little bit can go a long way. And a grain like carapils/dextrine or carafoam adds some texture and mouth feel (tastes less watery).

My 2 cents would be something like the following:

stick with the recommended 500g DME

I would go with about 350g of crystal - if its not already crushed it needs to be run over (gently) with a rolling pin.

Put the recommended amount of water for the kit into your brew pot (cold water). Put your grains in a grain bag put the bag in the pot and turn the heat on. Stir occasionally until the water hits 180deg F (82deg C) and pull the bag and proceed to boiling.

Most boils last for 60min   -- since your LME is already hopped you can add some hops at 40min which will add hop flavor --- you can then add hops at 50 or 55min for aroma  - both hop charges could be 20g or less.

Kind of shooting in the dark here --- lastly your wort will need to go thru a fairly fine mesh strainer when you pour it into the bucket to ferment.

good luck

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Re: Crystal Malt
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2009, 06:25:01 PM »
My recommendation would be to by a book. 
Putting all your faith in internet research is not wise. 
If you're serious enough about homebrewing to start spending money on equipment and ingredients, then you should spend some money on books as well. 
My first homebrewing book purchase was Papazian's Complete Joy of Homebrewing.  I'd recommend it to anyone.
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Re: Crystal Malt
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2009, 06:03:26 AM »
+1 to books (podcasts, etc)

If I were to start over, I think John Palmer's "How to Brew" would be the book I'd own, then I'd pick up Jamil & John's "Brewing Classic Styles" (that helped me a LOT with recipe formulation!)

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Re: Crystal Malt
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2009, 12:31:54 PM »
Regardless of your experience, both books are great.  Palmer's starts with a few chapters to get you started, and then further chapters take you as deep as most home brewers care to venture.  And even if you don't do water chemistry, you can read it and know it is there if you have questions.

The styles book really helps you understand what defines a style, making it different from others, and gives a good starting point with a proven recipe.  You can tweak or go in opposite direction from there. 

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Re: Crystal Malt
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2009, 12:57:18 PM »
     I agree with getting some books.
I've found that reading first ( I choose, How to Brew. ) is a great foundation. Then if I didn't understand something I thought was to technical, I would ask my question here at Beer
Smith forum to get a clear understanding.
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Re: Crystal Malt
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2009, 03:36:05 AM »
Thanks guys.

FYI, John Palmer's "How to Brew" is available free online at howtobrew.com

Very useful. I now know how to brew  ;D

edit - D'oh! I just noticed Mij recommended that earlier on... where's the facepalm emoticon?
« Last Edit: July 18, 2009, 04:07:04 AM by jonewer »

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Re: Crystal Malt
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2009, 09:23:19 AM »
In the fermentor now... the green OG sample tastes green and bitter (1.046)... bit like some forbidden tropical hallucinogenic flower your mother told you not to eat when you were a boy......oh look! theres a butterfly!
« Last Edit: July 19, 2009, 09:25:25 AM by jonewer »

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Re: Crystal Malt
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2009, 01:35:35 PM »
Well, it was extremely lively for the first 24hrs but appears to have calmed down a lot. Is that normal? Temp was probably about 25 but is now down to just over 20.

 

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