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Offline stevemwazup

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How do you get the Red color in an Irish Red?
« on: November 26, 2009, 12:43:36 PM »
     I just kegged an Irish Red Ale, extract kit from More Beer. ( I haven't bought a mash tun cooler for all grain yet )
I think the beer taste good but the color is off, it's more of a brown color the srm is around 20 to 23.
I just wanted to ask how to get the Red color in an Irish Red Ale?

This is the recipe I received in the kit.
7 lbs Ultra light Extract malt
1 lbs Crystal 120L
8 oz. Aromatic
8oz. Caramunich
2oz. Black Roasted
2oz. Special B

Maybe someone has a recipe that they would like to share?
Thanks
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Re: How do you get the Red color in an Irish Red?
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2009, 12:12:17 AM »
Well I'm still looking and working on a Red recipe myself - from what I've seen a medium crystal malt can produce a coppery color and caramunich specifically will add a coppery color. Looking at your recipe the Black Roasted would add some dark tones ...


Also depends on what kind of Red do you want - traditional Irish red - or a red ale with some special style / focus. There is a carared grain to impart red color. I'm working thru Jamils book on Brewing Classic Styles (lots of little historical nuggets in there) his traditional Irish Red is basically

6 - 7lb light LME

crystal 40     6 oz
crystal 120    6 oz
roasted barley   6 oz

Goldings hops  to 25 IBU


So that is pretty simple and using the LME and the crystal for the color --- I've not brewed this but will tweak it for mini-mash and try it some time.
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Re: How do you get the Red color in an Irish Red?
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2009, 08:32:39 AM »
Steve
The roasted barley gives the red color in JZ's (and traditional recipes).  It also helps provide the slightly dry finish of the style. 
In your recipe (from Morebeer), I am unsure what they mean by "black roasted."  If that is black patent, I would replace that with roasted barley.
Comparing the two recipes, Morebeer has 18 oz of 120L-plus grains, and another 16 oz of aromatic and caramunich at 20L to 45L, whereas JZ has only 12 oz of a 80L blend. 



http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/style09.php#1d
Overall Impression: An easy-drinking pint. Malt-focused with an initial sweetness and a roasted dryness in the finish.
Ingredients:  Generally has a bit of roasted barley to provide reddish color and dry roasted finish. UK/Irish malts, hops, yeast.

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Re: How do you get the Red color in an Irish Red?
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2009, 11:41:51 AM »
     Thanks guys for your reply,
I'm going to try that recipe from JZ's book, thanks for posting it.
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Re: How do you get the Red color in an Irish Red?
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2009, 12:57:55 PM »
A few more specifics on JZs Irish Red

OG   1.054
FG   1.014

SRM   17

And he only does one hopping charge (60 min) to keep hop presence low ---- for me I might switch it up and add .25 - .4 hops for 20 min for just a little hop flavor

Yeasts      WLP004    or    Wyeast 1084   or  Fermentis S04

Enjoy and report back on what you get.


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Re: How do you get the Red color in an Irish Red?
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2009, 02:25:00 PM »
     Thanks for the info, I'll be brewing in about 2 weeks and post the results around kegging time.
thanks SleepySam.
stevemwazup