Stone Sublimely Self-Righteous Black IPA

So I just had my first Stone beers. They are new to the islands and just started a distribution deal with Maui Brewing Company. So I bought a 12 pack sampler, the last beer I got to was the "Black IPA" as I have never had one I liked and don't get me started on the stupidity of calling something a Black Pale Ale. Anyway I have to admit I was a bit disappointed until I got to this beer. This IS the kind of beer I love!!!!

Ok so now I have to try and clone it. I am asking for help from the more experienced/smarter brewers on this forum.

The grain bill seems to be fairly straightforward. Tastes to me like 2-row pale malt, a bit of darker crystal maybe some special roast. I am not getting chocolate or black malt, I think they may have gone midnight wheat to get the colour. I think I detect some roast barley in a very small amount.

I think the Hops are something like the Chinook/Centennial/Cascade classic NW varieties. There is a floral element I am having trouble pinning down. Perhaps that comes from Antanum?

I could be completely wrong about all of this, anyone want to put me straight?

Perhaps Simcoe. The dark malt is Carafa III dehusked. About 0.5#

An interesting thread on Stone black ipa.
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/stone-xi-anniversary-clone-51521/



I've made this one before. It was pretty good too. Don't think I lagered it though.
http://hopville.com/recipe/118749/american-ipa-recipes/triple-hopped-black-ale
https://www.brewtoad.com/recipes/triple-hopped-black-ale (think this is the same as the hopville one).

Thanks Grathan!

The beer I am drinking definitely does not have Simcoe in it. I think that recipe comes from a previous version of their Black IPA.

For anyone interested this is my attempt to produce something similar:

Recipe: Cascadian Black Ale Recipe
Brewer: Tom Hammerton
Asst Brewer:
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 6.62 gal
Post Boil Volume: 6.12 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal 
Bottling Volume: 4.75 gal
Estimated OG: 1.082 SG
Estimated Color: 35.7 SRM
Estimated IBU: 116.2 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 68.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 71.4 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt                  Name                                    Type          #        %/IBU       
14 lbs 14.0 oz        Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM)          Grain        1        87.5 %       
14.0 oz              Breiss Blackprinz (500.0 SRM)            Grain        2        5.1 %       
14.0 oz              Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L (80.0 SRM)    Grain        3        5.1 %       
6.0 oz                Acid Malt (3.0 SRM)                      Grain        4        2.2 %       
2.00 oz              Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min        Hop          5        81.9 IBUs   
1.00 oz              Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min  Hop          6        13.3 IBUs   
1.00 oz              Mosaic [12.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min        Hop          7        19.5 IBUs   
0.50 oz              Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 1.0 min    Hop          8        0.6 IBUs     
0.50 oz              Mosaic [12.50 %] - Boil 1.0 min          Hop          9        0.8 IBUs     
2.0 pkg              California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) [35. Yeast        10      -           
1.50 oz              Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Day Hop          11      0.0 IBUs     
1.50 oz              Mosaic [12.50 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days      Hop          12      0.0 IBUs     


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body
Total Grain Weight: 17 lbs
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Name                    Description                  Step Temperat Step Time   
Mash In                  Add 19.99 qt of water at 162. 150.0 F      60 min       
Mash Out                Add 4.00 qt of water at 211.0 159.0 F      10 min       

Sparge: Fly sparge with 2.79 gal water at 168.0 F

I'm working on giving your Cascadian Ale recipe a shot, but would first like to have more data on that Briess Blackprinz malt.
I got the Color (Lovibond) from Briess' webpage, but am not finding a lot of the information to load up a new entry on the grain table of BeerSmith.  Can you provide that info?  Does BeerSmith have a place where we can download new ingredients for the database?

I would think that a supplier would be eager to supply that info to the Beersmith family of brewers.

I like that you're under 40 SRM.  I recently brewed my first IBL (India Black Lager, I refuse to call it pale) and shot for at least 40 SRM.  I loved it, but definitely went overboard with the dark specialty malts.

Re Blackprinz - I have to admit I winged it as I also had trouble getting info. Here is what I entered:
Potential 1.025
Yield 54%
Diastatic Power 120
Protein 11.7

Just my best guess - could be totally wrong

Regarding the recipe it is still a work in process. I think I will move the late edition hops to the whirlpool. Also I am getting considerably better efficiency than 68% and most people will, so the grain amounts need some adjusting.

TAHammerton said:

Diastatic Power 120

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Although it makes no difference to the current BeerSmith calculations, Blackprinz has no diastatic power. It also rings in at 550 Lovibond.

Thanks Brewfun for picking up that stupid mistake. I knew that - i just really should not copy numbers without thinking about what they mean.

Regarding the colour Breiss says it is 500L. http://www.brewingwithbriess.com/Assets/PDFs/Briess_PISB_BlackprinzMalt.pdf

I just made a porter with it and although it is not quite ready yet, but the sample I just tasted the Black prinz was working very well. it's got that nice dry roasty flavour without being acrid.

TAHammerton said:

Regarding the colour Breiss says it is 500L. http://www.brewingwithbriess.com/Assets/PDFs/Briess_PISB_BlackprinzMalt.pdf

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That's cool. It'll work.

The numbers published on general sheets like that are minimum targets. The number I quoted is averaged from a few lot analysis reports. With stuff this dark it doesn't matter much, except I need it to get a certain shade of red. It's the difference between 7 or 9 lbs in an 1100 lb grist.

Thanks again Brewfun, it's great to have a professional brewer on here who can tell us how things really are. So 550 L it is.