thanks for the reply, I was thinking the earthiness was consistent with Fuggles which is why I thought ESB. This hop has me confused, I see the word citrus associated with it a lot but I also see earthiness. I guess it can be both but when I think of American hops i think citrusy , when I think British hops I think earthy, I don't normally think both for hops that come from either side of the pond.