Thanks brad , that helped . Now my one final problem seems to be that I can not see the entire Mash Profile box when it comes up on screen. A specific question is when I change the pH value in the mash profiles , then close the window , then reopen it , the pH value is back to where it was originally . I am thinking that there is an accept or OK button or something similiar at the bottom of that box , but I cant see it . The box is already up to the top of the screen so I cant drag it . Is there a way to make those pop up boxes smaller? Thanks for all your help.